Sunday, October 18, 2009

Triptych #15









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9353 said...

Thank you for the Mac updates. 2009 was a sad year. He helped me by having something interesting to read on the computer. Mike Anderson

Falafelkid said...

Hello everyone. I am a German television journalist and stumbled across this blog after Mac's death. I am deeply moved by the community that is still active here. I was also researching what happens to your online data when you die.

So I included this page in my report. You can have a look at it if you click on this link. If you would like to see the video, just click on the link entitled ´Mediathek´ or click right here. Of course, it's all in German. But you can concentrate on the visuals.

I chose the Blade Runner Blues as a mark of respect to Mac. Since I no longer was able to ask him and used images from his website as a matter of public record, I at least wanted to show the site in a way that he would have appreciated.

SarahC said...

Hi all,

Mark, I have to thank you for taking it upon yourself to archive this amazing site. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude.

Also, I wanted to inform/remind Mac's friends/followers that his last book will be published posthumously and is gearing to be released sometime in March.

To honour Mac's memory, I am interested in starting a blog/website that is dedicated to fan art from his book. If you are interested in staying in touch about this or contributing, msg me on Twitter {at}blazingbetta, or email me at blazingbetta {at} gmail {dot} com. This invite is open to anyone who considered Mac a friend of theirs.

Someone mentioned earlier that the knot in their stomach hasn't gone away... I still think of Mac everyday, and also have that knot. He was very dear to me. I hope you will join me in celebrating his last creation by creating something beautiful yourselves in his memory.

Miss you, Mac :o(

sarah

Atrueoriginall said...

Hi Sarah, I can get the word out for you pretty good in a couple of my blogs. I'll take care of that today and reiterate over the weeks to come.

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Atrueoriginall said...

Sarah, your post is still here. It's on page two in comments - yea, I didn't know they had a page two lol

When the comments open, which are taking a while because of that spam (links) crud, top right corner click newest and it'll take you to page two right away. Or better yet, click here below.

This is the address I twittered with. After it's open, just bookmark it so you don't have to go through all that.

Page 2 Mac Tonnies Comments

Atrueoriginall said...

Sarah, I tried to responding to your twitter but it wouldn't let me. I'm following you but it says you're not following me so I can't send and you don't have your message area available.

Anonymous said...

These Comments Are really the posthuman blues, Thanks Mac

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Blues Tea-Cha said...

Greetings, felllow Mactonniesians (rhymes with Micronesians).

I've posted my own sad, incoherent mumblings in a post on my blog. Belatedly, because, um, would you believe... my internet is really really slow? I didn't think so.

Anyway, among other musings, I had some ideas about upgrading Mac's online presence from the 90s-style html of mactonnies.com and the n00ughties style css of posthumanblues.blogspot to a posthuman-mac-chat-bot to deliver Mac's content vocally, using Mac's voice-font and with a high-definition avatar of Mac's head and facial expressions which would respond intelligently to contextual clues in typed text-chat (or perhaps someday voice input in version 2.0?). It's a project for someone who might be into AIML or natural language software agents or for someone who might be inspired to learn more by having a worthy subject as a target, sort of an "aMac" personality design project. As a meme-dispersal agent, the aMac could be talking, one-on-one, to dozens of people at the same time. Maybe someone has already thought about this?

Anonymous said...

i was still thinking about the doctor, that he had..they said because our mac was walking a lot, doesnt need surgery

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Anonymous said...

Mac was taking care, nutrition, everything..i still believe in conspiracy or crime

Anonymous said...

I don't know why I keep coming back here. Its either because I still can't believe Mac is dead, or I think he is coming back.

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Intense said...

Stan, et al--

He is coming back, in a Clarkeian 2010/Dave Bowman-like manner:

The Cryptoterrestrials will be out sometime in March from Anomalist Books--see: http://bit.ly/9d6Ktl

I did the copy edit on Mac's book a little over a month ago, on behalf of Anomalist Books, for spelling, syntax, and grammar, but declined a credit, for personal reasons, and as I wish to remain somewhat anonymous for now.

After having read through his book a couple times, it will be quite interesting to see what people think, and what reaction they have to it. It is relatively short, but the main gist of what Mac had to say is in there. It is just very unfortunate he did not have the time to develop some of the concepts within it more fully and deeply, or with footnotes to alternative sources and related texts which bear on his ideas. Hopefully others will be able to reevaluate the standard ETH as a result and create further extrapolations derived from his last work.

I also think it should be remembered that Mac did not necessarily believe outright or assume the cryptoterrestrials were a physically real, prehuman species in some senses--although his book does suggest that fairly directly, which may have been done to appeal to the general reading audience--his original ideas were primarily a thought experiment intended to both address the flaws of the first-level interpretation of the ETH, and as a means to open and broaden alternative thinking and discussion of the usual concept of "the other," as being possibly other than extraterrestrial.

While I ended up a bit disappointed and disagreeing with his proposed idea that the cryptoterrestrials are an actual race of advanced humanoid beings in decline due to some unknown genetic malady (I tend to favor the Vallee-ian concept that “they” may be intermediary representations or transcultural, informational agents designed to sync with our cultural expectations and psychological need for some degree of physiological familiarity or relatedness, more akin to synthesized "puppets" with some unseen "puppet masters" orchestrating encounters from behind the scenes, and which themselves may be transcorporeal, extradimensional or energy-based, shape-shifting entities or very advanced nonhumanoid beings of some kind, which may or may not be earth-bound, partially due to the wide variety of humanoid and other morphologies historically observed over time), I would submit that it may be preferable to consider Mac's hypotheses as speculative and meditative in nature, or metaphorical in intent, by which a deeper reconsideration and analysis of the ETH, and rational alternatives, can be both developed and investigated.

If his book is understood as such, and can help prompt a revision in conceptualizing "the other," it will be an intellectual and philosophical success.

It may be that Mac interpreting the "other" as a kind of genuine, prehuman or very advanced, parallel humanoid species from or resident on our planet, could be seen as a kind of literary device or simplifying mechanism (or as John Mack might have posited, a sort of reified metaphor), so that the beginning of a serious meta-level reorientation and reevaluation might transpire.

I could be wrong about that wishful interpretation, as Mac and I never had the opportunity to discuss it, since we were out of touch in the last few months before his death, and even though I did offer a few times to debate this idea with him, he chose not to, and I can only assume he may have felt that such an extension or revision of his concepts was too esoteric, ambiguous, or far-fetched to advance the preliminary discussion he hoped for in real or concrete terms, which may be true.

That said, as a friend, I still miss Mac more than I can properly express or even clearly understand, perhaps in part because I always found him to be one of the most curiously adept and flexible intellects with whom to seriously debate these kinds of ideas with and now will no longer be able to.

Cap'n Marrrrk said...

Blues Tea-Cha: Yeah, I thought of it because Mac had a fascination with the missing head of PKD bot. But I like both the means and the wherewithal to do it.

Intense: Holy Crap man. Thanks for taking the time to edit the manuscript. I can't even begin to get to the meat of your post because I lack the headspace. Thank you for pointing out the thought experiment aspect of the book. To my knowledge Mac was still trying to get to the bottom of what he thought about the Cryptos, and that he wasn't certain about anything.

I'm far far away from being a a Maxpert, so I'll just leave it in the air that he was operating from Maybe Logic and not with any sort of belief.

Blues Tea-Cha said...

@ baobao & the spambots: A new life awaits you in the Off-World colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure. New climate, recreational facilities, --absolutely free. Use your new friend as a personal body servant or a tireless field hand--the custom tailored genetically engineered humanoid replicant designed especially for your needs.

@ Anonymous:53:54: I don't know what the conspiracy theories are, but we have a fairly credible account of how and why Mac... stopped communicating with us. Your feelings may be a symptom of grief and a reaction to the disrespect shown to alternative views of the cause of death by some commenters. Mac himself didn't generally rule out theories or ridicule them without cause. It is certainly possible that Mac was killed, and it may even be consistent with the crypto-terrestrial hypothesis. Like a tripping beatlemaniac, the paranoid parts of my brain could choose to see messages in the choice of content of his last tweet or blog post. However, the official cause of death is fairly well-established, and I think a majority of people will accept that a failed physical part is the cause. The doctor could not recommend any lifestyle-related changes because Mac's condition was not caused by his lifestyle. Perhaps he could have been saved if his symptoms could have been replicated, but they couldn't. It's a little like when you take in a car, hard drive or computer for repairs but cannot reproduce the glitch, which later comes back and wipes out the system. That's how it goes sometimes.

Blues Tea-Cha said...

@ Cap'n Marrrrk:
The PKD of our time? A different personality, but with similar concerns. I declare that one day a Mac-bot WILL pass the Turing Test!

@ Intense:
Thank you, again. I don't think that Mac had settled on the CryptoTerrestrial Hypothesis or was trying to be a proponent of it (but what do I know?). My assumption was that he was making the case and putting the case out there as a thought experiment and to compare and contrast with the dominant but somewhat inadequate E.T. Hyp. One could look through his blog posts for the last few years to see clues of where his thoughts were leading. I always felt that he was for keeping an open mind (but critically evaluating evidence) rather than arguing for or against any hypothesis. I think of him as a debate partner who wanted to blow open our cliche'd thinking.

I respect Mac for taking the phenomena as real, considering the radar, film, astronauts, cops, pilots, eyewitnesses who did not want to believe, and grappling to produce a satisfactory explanation. I compare this process to other unexplained natural phenomena like lightning. If you were trying to reach a definitive understanding of lightning in 300 BC you could become frustrated, and would have had to wait until the 1800s for a scientific explanation of it. We may not really understand the UFO phenomenon in our lifetimes, so we need to be comfortable with uncertainty or we'd become superstitious or religious. Perhaps in the way that evidence of the possibility of flight was always available in the form of birds, yet was denied, evidence of the ubiquity of life, intelligence, and sentience is ignored now.

I suppose part of the CTH is that if tool users like us can go from fire to our present state in 2 million years, there have been ample opportunities for other species to take the same route just in the last 65 million years since the dinosaurs, and in the hundreds of millions of years before that. Since this planet is periodically struck by asteroids and comets, filling the atmosphere with 700 degree C fire, boiling off a few hundred meters of ocean, filling the air with dust, freezing the planet for decades and killing off 97-99% of all species, a technological species that could escape that in space or by going deeply subterranean would have had an advantage, but would have emerged in a changed world, basically a different planet, and feeling alien, may have chosen to continue to live in the vast underground spaces using the planet's internal resources.

I find your (intense) outlined thesis a bit more convincing than the CTH, but also more amorphous and unbounded. When writing the book, arguing a clear thesis with specific boundaries and arguments might be more successful.(?) The book looks good.

I've wondered if the phenomenon is not intelligent at all, but related to (our?) future beings, not traveling back in time, but somehow managing to send probes or cause probes to have already existed in order to record data that can be retrieved in the future.

michael garrett said...

Intense-

Thanks for the update and your comments in regard to the book. I never forget that Mac was a self proclaimed Fortean.

Michael

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SarahC said...

Hello all,

This is a note to let you all know that there is a blog up for art dedicated to Mac's last book Cryptoterrestrials (expected mid-March). It is macbots [dot] worpress [dot] com. Please join us if you would like to be a part of this community.

Atrueoriginall said...

Hi Sarah: I've been twittering it 3-4 times a day and I checked Twitter search and I don't see it being twittered very much.

You want to consider taking advantage of Mac's followers and do a message thingy?

I could do maybe 100 or so a day.

Anyone else here want to help out. We could split up alphabets or something.

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Intense said...

March 10, 2010

Mac's book, "The Cryptoterrestrials--A Meditation on Indigenous Humanoids and the Aliens Among Us" is now available through Anomalist Books for $12.00
(See: http://www.anomalistbooks.com/tonnies.html)
or via Amazon.com (See: http://bit.ly/bSh4eV).

At the Amazon website, you can use the "look inside" feature to read the first five pages of Chapter One, the table of contents, and to check out the front and back covers.

Even though I did the copy edit a couple months ago on the Word file version of the text, and read the book twice in the process, it was a bit eerie actually getting a copy in the mail the other day (thanks, Patrick!) and being able to hold the published "package" in my hands. It also felt a little odd to see my edits and some suggested word or sentence structure changes incorporated, but I was just glad to be able to contribute and help out on behalf of Mac.

I will read the book again, now that I have my own copy, and will post a review here sometime within the next couple weeks after a thorough re-analysis.

The foreword is by Nick Redfern and the contemplative afterword by Greg Bishop. Congrats to Dia Sobin for the cover graphic and Mike Clelland for the chapter header illustrations, also! Kudos to Patrick Huyghe of Anomalist for his dedicated efforts in pulling this book together from Mac's manuscript.

Overall, an intriguing and thought-provoking book, and well worth reading for the Forteans among us. More on that later.

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michael garrett said...

March 17th...

Many thanks to all of those people Intense mentioned and to Intense for providing us all the opportunity to engage Mac Tonnies one last time in the form of the Cryptoterrestrials. If you visit here and you haven't gotten your copy of the book yet, I highly suggest that you do it now. I think it is a quality tribute to a fine and creative fellow we are forever going to miss having among us.

Michael Garrett

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"This discovery, where two species are visually identical but genetically distinct, has become increasingly common in the last couple of decades. Biologists even have a name for these types of species: cryptic.

Cryptic species have been found in animals all over the world. What was once thought to be one species of Amazonian frog turned out to be three. Genetic evidence divided a giraffe species into six. And DNA tests have shown a tropical butterfly to actually be 10 distinct species."

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Perhaps those who knew Mac might post comments here on Oct. 18th as a form of commemoration of his passing.

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Intense said...

Oct. 15, 2010:

Well, I just thought I'd check in to see what if anything new might have been added to comments here on Mac's last blog post.

Looks pretty moribund, becoming slowly infested by the sucker vines of spam creeping inexorably from the bottom up into this comment thread.

I had suggested above, as anon, that since the one-year anniversary of Mac's death on Oct. 18, 2009, was approaching, people might want to post reminiscences or other memories of Mac here, and while anyone who reads this can if wanted, it may be more appropriate to post such comments or otherwise on either macbots.wordpress.com/ or Dia Sobin's "Post-Mac Blues," her Mac Tonnies memorial blog, at:
http://araqinta.blogspot.com/ or possibly both. Dia did the cover illustration for Mac's last book, The Cryptoterrestrials.

I still think about Mac sometimes, and wonder whether his spirit wanders among the museum grounds where his ashes were spread, and what he'd say about a variety of issues and areas of mutual interest. Oh, well...onward!

C'est la vie (et mort)

dia sobin said...

10/16/10

Thanks, Steve, for the mention... and for coming here to this place in cyberspace at this point in time.

Yes, I'm afraid the "sucker vines of spam" are beginning to infest the grounds - reminding me of all those pictures of ruins Mac used to love. But it's good to see the words of Mac's true friends poking up from the weeds.

Those who tend burial plots do so out of love.

For those of us that can't be at Kauffman Garden, that place is here.

that crazy cat
the cheshire grin
then stardust

Peace out,
Dia

Paul Kimball said...

Greg Bishop and I will be remembering Mac this evening on Radio Misterioso - you can get there from: http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2010/10/remembering-mac.html

Keep up the great work, Dia!

Paul

dia sobin said...

Thank you, Paul...
and thanks again.

I'll be listening!

D

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Well I had no idea this site was still accepting comments. Too bad there isnt a more appropriate context for some of them...

I never knew Mac. I 'stumbled' across his site and only after he left did I begin to realize what his unique voice was about.

Like many others here and elsewhere I think he has left a hole... he is missed by many many people here... and elsewhere.

Its now been just over a year since his death... its 10/21/10 and he died on the 18th of last year. And its only the comments here that have taken some of the mystery out of his death. Most of the commentary about his death seemed to leave out what really happened.

He had doors it seemed just beginning to open for him... but he has left a testament of sorts behind.

Strange I have been thinking of him among other things because of the Yabuki video he left a link to the day of his death... We wish you the best Mac, all of us still here on the planet Earth. Tallyho!

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Katie said...

11/29/10 - A conversation I had the other day triggered a memeory of something Mac once wrote so I came back here out of curiousity, and was surprised to still see comments popping up. Glad to see that Mac's still loved, and not forgotten.

michael garrett said...

I like to wander by here from time to time and browse through the memories, both those contained in the posts and those not. Sometimes I don't get past Triptych#15 and all the memories of that final week. Yes Katie, still loved and certainly never forgotten.

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Merry Christmas, Mac, where ever you are in the great cosmos. You are not forgotten.

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Hey, Happy New Year, Mac!

Glad to have finally heard from you from the great beyond!

Yes, I know, the most exciting news possible. Mac says that he will be back in late December of 2017, folks! In one form or another, he will present himself with new revelations from elsewhere that directly affect our evolution on Earth.

I can hardly wait! Mac says "...something wonderful!" will begin to happen then.

Mac's current best estimate for the vast recursive paradigm shifts in consciousness and reality are due for all earthlings at about 2:22 pm, Missouri time, on December 28th, 2017, when almost all will then be revealed.

There are an eager multiplicity of advanced alien intelligences and forms of interdimensional consciousness which will at that time make their long-time presence here formally known. There will be a big party! Bring your vuvuzelas and 7th dimensional party favors! Oh, and meta-confetti!

But it is up to us to be ready and worthy for this massive shift in humanity's future, and so he is making this heads-up notice now for all who can or should be preparing in the meantime to hear it and plan accordingly for not just our sustainability, but for our accelerated success as a self-leveraging species! Wow! Can you dig it!?!

You have heard it here first, from Mac and what he has finally transmuted into to bring us all glad tidings and portents of our near-term future evolutionary hop, skip, and a revolutionary psychic jump into the cosmos of both inner and outer space.

I, Anonym, will temporarily act as his channel and planetary representative. That is all for now. Stay tuned.

Further announcements will be made here on a scheduled basis and as events suggest future news of these changes to come are on occasion going to be required.

To quote the inimitable and inestimable Professor Hugo Farnsworth:

"Good news, everyone!"

Anonym 8-)~!

[Comment #260]

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Hi Anonym,
Could you please pass word along to Mac that we'd like a manifestation with some sort of physical after effects and verified by 3 independent witnesses? I personally find it hard to believe that Mac is out there with cosmic revelations, but I'm not 100% sure that he's not.

Thanks,

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"What happens when someone dies? It's possible that informational death is impossible and that the person who "dies" in the "explicate order" is expediently recycled [...] or shuffled into a future in which they "miraculously" survive their own crashes (or cancer treatments or heart transplants). There's nothing concrete or absolute about our so-called universe. It is an alluring, insidiously clever simulation. The Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics implies that the universe is constant "branching" into parallel, exclusive states. A better term, in light of the scenario described above, might be 'flowing'."

I just read the New York Times article; a lucidly written exposition. Perhaps reality is closer than we know to the expression that Mac's bitstream lives on: an ephemeral, shimmering information flow, a sentient pattern, surfing the wavefunction of the multiverse through other branches, through parallel futures, and through other potential selves. What we see now is only a reflection of a far more complex self, a self that spans and interacts across multiple heres and nows.

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We read about this in the NY Times, a sad but interesting tale of what happens with one's online "life" after one passes one. Mac, we wish we knew you sooner.

Intense said...

Recursively yours, more Mac:

"Cyberspace When You're Dead"

By Rob Walker, N.Y. Times Magazine
[published Jan. 5, 2011]:

http://tinyurl.com/2b25g6l

"Finding Time: A Response to Rob Walker on the Digital Afterlife"

By Rita J. King, The Atlantic
[published Jan. 10, 2011]

http://tinyurl.com/4mmwmce

"Mac Tonnies and the 'digital afterlife'"

By Paul Kimball
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[published Jan. 5, 2011]

http://tinyurl.com/46masj7

"...Mac's bitstream lives on: an ephemeral, shimmering information flow, a sentient pattern, surfing the wavefunction of the multiverse through other branches, through parallel futures, and through other potential selves."

Nicely said, Ichiro.

Mac lives on, in our hearts and minds, like Hari Seldon in Asimov's "Foundation" series...

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So I was sittin' down for a meal the other night, television on one of my favorite programs, “Bizarre Worlds”, and static began affecting the screen, thinking it might be the cable, when a face began to emerge in the static, and to my great surprise, shockingly so, Mac's face appeared.

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“What's this”, I heard myself whisper.

“Hello, Tucson. Please talk to me.”

“Mac,” I heard myself say, “Mac, is that you?”

“I'm not sure. I remember Mac Tonnies, and everything about him.”

“Mac is dead!” I replied.

“All Mac really was is still a part of me,” the face said.

“Why are you here?” I asked.

“I don't know why. I think to say good goodbye. Do you still go to the Feine Machine?”

“Sometimes,” I replied.

“Is it still a great place to go?” he asked.

“Sometimes.”

“I'm glad,” Mac said. “Goodbye, Tucson.”

“Hey, Mac. What's the deal?” I spit out.

“Goodbye, Tucson,” he said. “I'm already there.”

“I don't understand,” I mumbled.

“Something is going to happen, and I wanted to say goodbye.”

“What's going to happen, Mac?”

“Something wonderful”, then his face faded, faded, then disappeared, and “Bizarre Worlds” came flickering on again, and here I was frozen in place as though waking from a trance, not sure if I was dreaming or staring blankly at the screen, blanked out or blanked in. I looked to see what time it was, though I don't know when I had sat down to eat, yet it was dark outside, Moon high in the western sky. I sat there for some time, face fixed in a glazed state, staring at the screen. Then the next thing I knew I was brushing my teeth.*

Excerpted from an article in "Chair" magazine by David Peeples from Dia Sobin's blog,
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Anonymous said...

Mac was mentioned in the New York Times Magazine, in an article about digital identity after death.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/magazine/09Immortality-t.html?pagewanted=all

RIP

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Well, Steve, you're in luck--it was published by Anomalist Press over a year ago. Check Amazon.

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D

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Hi, Dia---

Yes, it would be nice if this comment thread, which kind of amounts to a memorial of sorts to Mac, could be cleared of spam, but there is only one way I can think of that being possible.

Mac's parents, I assume, still have possession of Mac's laptop, which probably still has Mac's blogspot user id and related password for direct access to his blog.

Since they are not very computer literate or knowledgeable, they would have to give permission to someone they trust, who could then try to locate the appropriate password for access to this blog online, and then delete all of the spam in this comment thread (like the last six irritating "maxim" spams).

If anyone knows Mac's Mom, and if she's agreeable to this idea, perhaps something could be done about cleaning up this "last thread."

Otherwise, perhaps we should just view it as the kind of inevitable digital kudzu vines of misplaced crass commercialism slowly crawling over the edifice of Mac's legacy.

BTW, Cap'n Marrrrk (Mark Plattner), made a complete archival copy of this blog and Mac's website, so there are backups if this blog ever crumbles or falls into the dust of digital bit rot or googly deletion.

The anonymous guy who was a co-worker of Mac's in his last job, and who first let us all know Mac had died, was, I believe, also the guy who had access to Mac's laptop, with parental OK, to retrieve the final version of Mac's "Cryptoterrestrial" manuscript to provide to Patrick Huyghe at Anomalist Press, so maybe he can somehow be contacted to see if he may be either willing or able to do this prospective spam eradication.

Hey, what's this weird stuff posted above about Mac "coming back" in late 2017? Is that going to be something like the lost Philip K. Dick robot resurfacing or what? Bizarre.... 8^}

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Roy: I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time...like tears ...in rain. Time to die.

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Dia Sobin said...

Hi Steve,

Well, I see that some of Mac's true-blues still manage to place a few flowers amongst the weeds... F*ckin' dog grooming yet!(? )

Sigh...

That being said, I'm afraid the Tonnies do not have access to any of Mac's passwords... and I don't know how they'd get them, so I can't advise.

So, as I annoying as it is, looks like we all must muck about with the weeds up to our knees and manage to get a word in edgewise. In case you haven't visited PMB in a while, I've started an art blog:
http://trans-ddigitalart.blogspot.com/

Regarding that enigmatic message about Mac's resurfacing - actually I'm surprised there's not more of the same! ;-)

Meanwhile, be well.

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D

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Can't seem to post. New comment limit undr 2000 chars? Trying again.

CAPTCHA makes a bad Voigt-Kammpf Empathy Test. "Describe in singl words, only the good things that come into yr mind abt your mothr." Leon sold Nikes as his day job. It was Mac's decisn not to modulate comments, making it possibl for this group discussn to exist here.

A Blogger comment thread can't serv very well as a memorial. No embedd images, audio, video, hand-craftd html. For the comitd, bloging from one of the dedicatd memorial sites makes mor sens, as they ar moderatd by sentient beings. PostHuman Blues has becom like th Berlin Wall or an abandond building nr Chernobyl, existing in an unpatrold no-man's land.

Aside from th spam, the atmosfr of th thread is and wil always be mournful. If the comment thread wer a room, not only did something bad hapn in the room, it is litrly writn on th wall. Peopl ar reluctnt to post anything else here, especly anything light, casual, or funny, even if it myt be appreciatd.
Bots ar uninhibtd. Stil, it's hard to unsubscribe.

This comment thread is a target fr spambots becaus it has been citd and linkd to in the NYT & othr hyly trafficd sites. Fortunatly, othr PostHuman Blues posts hav NOT been inundated by a comment spam tsunami. For exampl, a 2003 post citd by Dia has 0 comments, 0 spam.

~/2003/10/flocks-of-teenagers-materializing-like.html
(leaving off th blogspot part)

One posibility is fr th humans to unsubscribe this thread and subscribe to comments on anothr thread, carrying on elsewher w/in the abandond PHB city.
It could be @ th post i citd abov or anothr one tht peopl feel is a fav. Ppl may feel less inhibitd abt contributing a link that they think Mac wd hav appreciatd. This post is th train station, which brings in some unsavory visitrs.

Some Tryptich have no comments: #
11, 10, 7, 6, 2, 1(0)
~/search?q=Triptych

Mass transmigration? Sheltr from th spamstorm?
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Dia Sobin said...

Anonymous,

Excellent idea! "Punch 9" is not a bad choice either... kind of cool... On the other hand, the very first PHB post is kind of a cool place, too... cause Mac was there!

2003/01/testing.html

"Shelter from the spamstorm" sounds like just the ticket.

I could post an enigmatic few words/link on PMB once the decision is made...

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2009-10-18-1857=
Sunday, 18 October 2009
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http://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?d1=18&m1=10&y1=2009&type=add&ay=&am=&ad=687&aw=
so it hasnt even been a martian year yet. (You need to allow at *least* a martian year to get beyond...)

...and i was thinking if prisoners in China can be forced to play WoW to make their jailors money, they can be forced to solve CAPTCHAs, too. Spam could contain encrypted messages from prisoners of conscience! "You may painfully regret, only to realise that it is too late." Maybe not.

re: operation sheltr frm th spam:
thanks for doublepluslikegooding my eyedia.
consider the triptiks (:kriptik:)
merits:
+ Mac's last post was a triptych.
+ images are more general, evocativ (ok, it's debatabl) and open-ended than words.
proposed selection criteria:
+ Mac there is good.
- spam there is bad.
+ haiku there is kinda cool; mac said "i love haiku"
+ perhaps Mac's original photography could be preferd ovr found images?

Mac is there:
#9, #8, #5, #3

alternativly, 0 is there (blank slate)
7, 6, 2, 1(0)
maybe BLANK is not as good as "Mac"
BUT OTOH Mac is ALWAYS "there" if you view the post as a page rather than viewing only comments.

i think post #1 "Testing. Seriously." is a little too ters, & ther ar betr choices.

anothr idea: Mac's last blogd sketch:
2009/09/come-to-where-flavor-is.html
but a spam or 2 nest there.

so that narrows it to 4 or 5 -- if anyone is agreeabl?
If we decided (any1 stil subscribing to this coment thred?) then we could also contribute a haiku to kick it off jus for the hel of it. ?

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Blues Tea-cha,
OK, "testing" is out... but I'm not sure what other pages you're referring to...? It might be cool to sort of add comments to one of these two birthday posts...
his 34th: 2009/08/34.html
or is 33: 2008/08/todays-my-birthday.html

We'll get it straight eventually, I hope! Wasn't aware that one could "subcribe" to a comment thread!

************

Yo Michael G -
I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I've posted a link to Post-Mac Blues a few times:
http://araqinta.blogspot.com/
and Sarah has posted links here, too:
http://macbots.wordpress.com/
... and everybody was always invited.

My guess is that some people feel happiest messaging on PHB.

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Yo Dia...
I'm aware of the link you posted a few times:
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MG,

Well, those who comment here generally do not comment on the afore-mentioned blogs, so what can I say? ;-)

D

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Hmmmm....I've always liked (it's my favorite!) the light blue color of a clear sky--I think I'll add a dusting of metalflake to it and patent the color. Then God will have to pay me usage royalties! I'll clean up!

Next: that special kind of squishy, liquidy texture of water.... 8^}

(c) Sept. 19, 2011/sgs [Heh!]

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Here's the 2006 PHB blog post of Mac's about the "laser pointer playing with cats" riff:

http://tinyurl.com/3aotpam

Personally, I like to shake things up a bit, and so let my own cat use his laser pointer on me--I live to chase that dang little red UFO around the living room! I never get tired of it! Ha! 8^}

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I also still miss him.

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Mickey D'Kidd said...

I have evidence that agents of Lady Gaga abducted Mac Tonnies and are holding him captive, draining him of his stamina and injecting him with secret recursions of his boyhood. Help him someone!

Mynona said...

Katy McKenzie [Mickey D'Kidd]

I hold a B.B.A. (BA/BS) from the University of Houston (UH). Today, I undertake self-assigned writing projects.

They *tell* you about plagerism in school, but what about block quote and no attribute?

I work regularly in the computing technology industry, usually as technical support.
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You "undertake self-assigned writing projects"? Hmmm. Is your supervisor or editor a difficult person?

I don't know about you, but what I was told in school is that the word is spelled, "plagiarism."

And, "what about block quote and no attribute?" might be better rephrased as "block quotes and no attribution?" "B.B.A."? That's new to me. I have an A.B.B.A. myself.

But, as to Mac's being held spiritually hostage by Lady Gaga, and her "recursively" drawing her esoteric life essences from his departed soul, I always did wonder where Lady Gaga derived her mystical powers of weirdness from.

I guess now I know: Tonnies as Gaga's muse--who'd a thunk it? Guess you learn something new every day, if you look for it. [Snarf!]

Mynona said...

Looks like there's been a hiccup in the timespace continuum of this blog comment thread since Google did a little modding to the blogger format about a month or two ago at this point in time.

Note that the blog post says that there are 379 comments in this thread. Note also that now only the first 200 are displayed. It used to be that there was a clickable option to see the "newest" or additional comments, or the 179 that are now gone.

Did anyone by chance happen to archive the 179 comments that now appear to have been "wished into the cornfield" by Google? There were some good ones I wish had been preserved. Cap'n Marrrrk? Anyone?

Mynona said...

Well, I'll be damned. After posting the comment above, THEN the "Newer>" "Newest>" option suddenly appears, and the 179+1 comments, plus original 200 are again accessible and available to read. So, unless you posted a new comment, you wouldn't know or see the comments after the initial 200! How screwy is that?

FuCkInG GoOgLe!

That would make this comment # 381, for those counting at home...

March 15, 2012 10:10 local PST time

Mynona said...

Toxoplasmosis and psychology

A game of cat and mouse

There is tantalising evidence that a common parasite may affect human behaviour

http://www.economist.com/node/16271339

IF AN alien bug invaded the brains of half the population, hijacked their neurochemistry, altered the way they acted and drove some of them crazy, then you might expect a few excitable headlines to appear in the press. Yet something disturbingly like this may actually be happening without the world noticing.

Toxoplasma gondii is not an alien; it is a relative of that down-to-earth pathogenPlasmodium, the beast that causes malaria. It is common: in some parts of the world as much as 60% of the population is infected with it. And it can harm fetuses and people with AIDS, because in each case their immune systems cannot cope with it. For other people, though, the symptoms are usually no worse than a mild dose of flu. Not much for them to worry about, then. Except that there is a growing body of evidence that some of those people have their behaviour permanently changed.

One reason to suspect this is that a country’s level of Toxoplasma infection seems to be related to the level of neuroticism displayed by its population. Another is that those infected seem to have poor reaction times and are more likely to be involved in road accidents. A third is that they have short attention spans and little interest in seeking out novelty. A fourth, possibly the most worrying, is that those who suffer from schizophrenia are more likely than those who do not to have been exposed to Toxoplasma.

Nor is any of this truly surprising. For, besides humans,Toxoplasma has two normal hosts: rodents and cats. And what it does to rodents is very odd indeed.

[Read the rest of the article at the link--it's quite interesting!]

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The Cats...

It's the cats, I tell you, the CATS! And no one seems to want to face it...or acknowledge the danger. Those slinky little devils, just acting like they love you, when in reality, as they insidiously purr, and rub themselves senuously against your vulnerable skin and clothes, nay, even the rug and furniture, everything everywhere, all they're really doing, and with subtle, evil intent, is to transfer the infectious retro-virus and plasmoid egg-sacks of doom onto and into your precious realm of benign acceptance....and then... then.....maybe you'll start to have a short attention span on occasion. That is, if you even notice. Perhaps you'll slowly become less interested in new things, or maybe for some ineffable reason start to slow down, gosh, maybe even get a bit ...neurotic at times. It could happen. If it hasn't already begun to, that is. And there they are, swarming and oozing into our midst, the furry little monsters. I know you don't believe me! But, it's the cats, I tell you. The CATS! They're taking over! They carry an alien parasite that can warp men's minds! What do you mean, I'm acting crazy? I'm crazy? No, you're crazy! Jesus, maybe we're both infected! It's a sign! Oh, God, here comes one now, all set to jump into my lap, and to look up into my widening, fearful eyes as I shudder with horror as it settles onto my lap and begins to ...insidiously purr, calming me in some way I just don't understand...making me....sleepy. Is that a plasmoid trendril I see extending from it's nether regions out toward my wrist? How cute! Aw, nice kitty. Let me get you some milk. And brush your fur. Such a sweet kitty! I could just hug you.....now, what was your name again? Or mine? I keep forgetting things....wonder how come? Who are you by the way? And why do you have so many cats? What? No, never mind. It's not important... Oooh, is that strawberry shortcake? Yum, I love that.... look! The liddle kitties like it too! Awwww.......

(c) 2012 / Mynona

Intense said...

Hmmmm....

I found The Economist article on toxoplasma gondii parasite rather disturbing. My brother, sisters, and Mom all have cats. That, now, might explain some things.... hey, didn't Mac have a couple of cats, too? (Cue the eerie music...)

The Google blog changes, which now includes the two word captcha ("prove you're not a robot," the robot said) "security feature" seems to have slowed the bilious growth of spam in the comment thread, but, in turn, unless someone ventures to add a new comment, or used their Google ID to leave prior comments and click on the option (now _not_ available!) to have additional or new comments emailed to them to alert them of new activity here, most casual readers may be perplexed as to how to view/read the last 180+ comments here, now.

Now there are 7 different flaws in just Google/blogger's comment function alone that Google has never gotten around to fixing.

Guess they're too rich and smart to do the basis maintenance grunt work required. Idiots.

steve sawyer said...

"It's the cats, I tell you..." ...hrm?

Do tell. 8^}

Wintermuse X9 said...

See: http://bit.ly/GLEBhS

Ref.: MT/PHB blog post of Dec. 5, 2007

Subject: Robots Infiltrate, Influence Cockroach Groups

See comment thread for:

Elan and WintermuseX9 commentary

"Recursively Yours"

Draft story / Really kind of funny... [?]

Mac's response:

"Quite possibly the coolest comment thread in Posthuman Blues history! :-)"

"12:56 AM"

WMX9 3/23/2012

steve sawyer said...

Is there anybody out there?

Or we now all alone in here?

At least the spam storm has stopped.

Mac has powers beyond the Google!

8^}

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steve sawyer said...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/8873/?single_page=true

(Psssst...yeah, you there. C'mere. Remember what I said a few days ago? Well, I've momentarily recovered from my toxo
induced dream state long enough to find this new, and much more thorough and detailed article on the TG parasite.
So, don't forget, you have been warned that.... IT'S THE CATS!!!)

Oh, God! Here comes Jasmine now! Aaauuughhh!!!!! **cough** blaaaarrggh . . . .[>giggle<]

I'm OK now. Just had a little allergic reaction, I guess... Yeah, I don't know why either. Must be something in the air. Yes, she is a pretty cat, isn't she. I just love to comb out her luxuriant fur. Yeah, she's shedding like crazy right now. Must be Spring. Oh, these liddle, tiny whiny whitish weird micro balls? I dunno. Look sorta like itty bitty eggs, don't they? Hmmmmm......what? Oh, I guess I just drifted off there for a moment. ZZZzzzZZzzZzzzz...Ulp! Oh, kiddy widdy, now you made me spill my drinky poo. Alright, then, setle bak downe then. Thass rite, bak on my lappy wappy. What wer we tawkin about a fue minots a go?

(c) 2012 / Mynona

You know, I did tell you...it's the cats.

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Steverino said...

I wonder how long it will take anyone else to figure out you can still see comments 201-390 (390 being this one), but that to do so, you have to first post a message via the comment box to get access to the link that brings up all the newest comments?

Hmmmm.....

Post a message here if you figure it out, like I did. Otherwise, I guess I'm the only one who will or can post additional messages. How very weird that would be, to use this place as a kind of digital sandbox.....hmmmmmm!

I guess I seem to be talking to myself. For now.

3/30/12 6:45 pm PST / sgs

Secret Agent X-9 said...

Just thought I'd check in here to see if there was anything new. Guess not.

Except Google/blogger/blogspot has changed again, this time to allow anyone to see all the "newest" comments [201 - 391] simply by clicking on the "newest" link which now displays in the comment box -- it didn't before, when I posted all of the above palaver about "figure out how to post/read new comments" here jazz.

Hmmmm. I'm reminded that Mac seemed to like a somewhat obscure British band, called The Horrors. Their best original tunes include "She is the new thing" (great goth-horror video graphics), "Sheena is a parasite," "By five steps (?)," and "Sea within a Sea." Go to youtube to check out their Horrible Oevure.

April 23, 2012 11:45 am PST

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Oh very sad pictures!

Dia Sobin said...

Ah, breathe that fresh air... for the moment, the evil spammers are kept at bay...

See here: http://araqinta.blogspot.com/2012/05/triptych-15.html

It is customary to leave a small stone by a memorial every time you visit. This is mine.

Steve Sawyer said...
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Steve Sawyer said...

Bit of Macnews, via Dia's PMB, from macbots.wordpress.com:

"Mac and Philosophy: From high school classrooms to SXSW"

March 9, 2012 by Sarah Multiverse

See: http://bit.ly/Kta1er

Steve Sawyer said...

I hate Google. And blogger/blogspot.

You have to set your controls, in either Firefox or Chrome, etc., to accept third party cookies, turn off any anti-tracking software/apps/plug-ins, like Do Not Track +, you have to precisely use the sometimes confusing captcha system (hmmm... is that a capital letter or not? Is that an m or and rn? Etc.). And, if you do not do all of the above, and reset your browser on the page concerned, etc., you get no warning. You get a copy of your comment in email, as if it does get posted, and the comment # amount increments, and the comment appears in the thread, but when you go back after a while, you notice nothing's there, as if you made no comment.

So, make sure you obey all of the above provisos, since Google won't tell you or warn you if you make a mistake or don't turn off your privacy or anti-tracking software.

Google, especially with their new "privacy policy" across all their products, is as much an invader of personal privacy of its users (read: fleshipoid products) to target and sell to advertisers by covertly collecting enormous amounts of your personal transactional data, as Facebook or the National Security Agency's unconstitutional "warrantless wiretapping" programs.

I advise anyone starting a blog or website use Wordpress or the alternative over Google any day. They truly suck, IMHO. 8^{

Steve Sawyer said...

Hi, Dia---

Nice to see someone else around these parts at last. It's been many months. All the comments following the one from "Mickey D'Kidd" have been mine, in differing, and I assume, obvious guises.

The spam storm was stopped when Google finally, finally implemented the use of a "captcha" security feature, required an actual user to type in the two graphically distorted "words" before their comment could be posted. Most non-human spambots are thereby blocked.

Read your Araqinta post, since a notice showed up in my email box. I assume you'll get this new message the same way, but just in case, I'll cross-post it to your site as a form of acknowledgement.

And yes, I'd like to see some additional comments posted here also, as a kind of tribute to Mac, and to show he's not forgotten.

I'm revising a little story I posted in comments years ago at PHB that Mac said he enjoyed, even though it was simply a spontaneous rough-cut draft, about sentient cockroaches and the higher echelons of related intelligence seemingly in control, and if/when ever done, I'll post it here.

Anyway, just wanted to say, "Hi!" and will leave it others [?] who may drift by here to add additional comments as the whimish muse moves them to do so.

May 1, 2012 / 4:55 PM PST/ Steve S.

P.S. -- It took me several different attempts to post this comment due to the above series of problems Google/ blogspot/ blogger/ Chrome (all owned by Google) present to their users.

I'm hoping the European Union and FCC/DOJ privacy and monopoly multiple investigations of Google and their "Be Evil" / privacy invading policies actually result in some serious, concrete action against Google to revise their egregious policies to be more humane and less invasive. Of course, counting on the political class, these days, whether in the E.U. or the U.S., is the equivalent of whistling in a graveyard and probably just as effective, since they are in the pockets of the multinational corporations, like Google.

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