Tuesday, August 30, 2005

Getting Agnostic About 9/11

"As a professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology, 66-year-old David Ray Griffin would seem to have more affinity for leather elbow patches than tin hats, yet after friends and colleagues prodded him into sifting through the evidence, he experienced a conversion. Now he's spreading the bad news. Griffin compiled a summary of material arguing against the accepted story that 19 hijackers sent by Osama bin Laden took the aviation system and the U.S. military by surprise that awful day in his 2004 book 'The New Pearl Harbor' [. . .] He recently followed up with the book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" (Interlink), a critique of the Kean commission document in which he suggests that a chunk of the blame for the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil lies closer to home than the caves of Afghanistan."

I share Griffin's sense of disillusionment. There are too many anomalies for me to comfortably accept the official story. While none may be a smoking gun, their cumulative impact suggests a far-reaching "inside job" of frightening scope.
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10 comments:

Carol Maltby said...

Neologisms used by researchers that those of you who haven't followed this as closely may run into are

LIHOP (Let it happen on purpose) and

MIHOP (Made it happen on purpose)

10:24 AM
Gerald T said...

They lie about Mars, they Lie about War, bit of a connection hmm-what!?!

What of you think about the cylinder with the rectangle opening that Spirit got a photo of?
I posted it on my blog Tue.

http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/

How much artificialality do they need?,,, o’ that’s right, they Lie about the god that they worship also.

1:08 PM
Ken said...

Ditto the closing statement in my second comment on "The Truth About Roswell" post.

NASA is not hiding anything significant from us about Mars, there was nothing sinister about the Roswell incident, and there was no governmental conspiracy behind 9/11.

My opinion (which won't change, by the way, unless I am presented with some VERY hard evidence to the contrary).

1:44 PM
Gerald T said...

Wow Gordon you are right, the photos are so ‘blurry and grainy’ that they just are not able to show any thing out of the ordinary, any strange objects spotted by me, are most probably the result of my over worked imagination seeing faces as in the faces seen in ink blots.
As for being ‘sloppy unbelievable’, that’s just it, with your sharp eyed, ultra keen mind viewing the photos, with such an array of finely honed mental power as you obviously possess, Gordon, it would be just plain foolish of them to try and put one past such a razor edged intellect.

I too wouldn’t expect it to be, ‘reasonable’, to expect JPL to investigate everything also, and I do bow to your highly developed sense of reason, Gordon, you possess such a great measure of what constitutes a sane, level headed view of life, that is one of the greatest pleasures I have ever experience in all my days to have been the beneficiary of your great storehouse of wisdom, Gordon.

3:08 AM
Gerald T said...

I apologize to Gordon for the flame war, no need to get personal. I realize that you are not Phil Plait, sorry to take out my feeling for that vermin on you.

I do think you are missing the point, the JPL people just don’t care what anybody thinks.
They don’t have to hide anything, because if any body says any thing about the ruins, people immediately think UFO nut, then they are shunned ridiculed and ostracized.
Nobody pays any attention to them any more, end of problem.

The Black Psy Ops public mind conditioning with regard to the solar system being full of alien ruins concept has been very effective.
They don’t hide any of the photos, because they don’t have to.

Look at your self, a rational man, with clear vision, yet when you see hundreds of photos of objects of a quite obviously artificial nature, plainly ruins and artifacts, you still with hold judgment, you mind has been programmed to reject what your senses tell you, classic Orwellian mid control.

2:33 AM
Ken said...

"I think (without pondering over it in any detail) that I agree with your assessment of government. I just don't think their control over all factions of our lives and desires is that extensive."

I think that a nation's political ideology caters greater toward the degree to which atrocities are permitted/perpetrated within it. Granted, all governments lie to their citizens to some extent -- but this extent is influenced strongly, IMO, by how much control a nation's particular ideology deems necessary (and the perpetration of internal atrocities can be indirectly related to this control-issue as well). Fascist regimes like Nazi Germany, or strongly centralized states like any number of present day communist countries, are probably more predisposed to tell big black lies (as compared to little white lies of, say, our US politicians and officials). There is also a greater inclination among fascist and socialist states to abuse their citizens (such as to use them for secret experiments). This would be because the concept of human rights does not have a clearly defined place in their overall ideology (sometimes it is jettisoned altogether in favor of strong centralization). I think liberal democracies like the US are far less likely to do things like recruit marginal/forgotten citizens for hazardous, top secret experiments.

8:36 AM
Ken said...

"See Hoagland and also Mac's Cydonian Imperative posts about the Face."

"BTW, Hoagland, on his new "Captain's Blog" has an interesting description of possible data "hanky-panky" re the Deep Impact comet-collision mission."

I would use extreme caution in citing Hoagland as a support for ANY of my arguments. I don't know exactly what his deal is, but the guy's obviously got some issues.

10:17 AM
Mac said...

one of his frustrations is NASA/JPL's apparent programmatic "turning away" even from evidence of current Martian life let alone a past civilization

NASA's attitude is "It can't be, so it isn't." The defining problem is that the scientists deeming architecture on Mars "impossible," while not who we would think of as dumb people, are severely limited by their respective disciplines, none of which include the faintest whiff of archaeology or anthropology -- fields that demand inclusion if the Artificiality Hypothesis is to be given a fair test.

Until we can make this leap, there will be no truly constructive debate.

5:45 PM
Ken said...

"what really amazes is that, to my knowledge, no one has undertaken these kinds of comparative studies."

In order for such studies to be taken seriously, they must be done by professionals (as Gordon has emphatically pointed out to us). And, as I've said before, almost all professionals today are constricted by technobureacratic circumscriptions. Human ingenuity (scientific or otherwise) must begin with the freedom of individuals to be creative. The more organization reigns -- that is, the more one is consigned as a mere unit in the greater machine collective -- the more the flowering of ingenuity is stifled. I suppose the goal of such mechanistic organization is to crank out the cumulative product of human ingenuity -- not emanating from any one individual's creativity but, as it were, by assembling all the parts and pieces which are in turn derived from isolated working units. It is a rational process geared toward maximum efficiency in time, in labor, in cost. I am not saying that there are no brilliant minds today, but I certainly do wonder what effect long-term participation in the "system" might have on an individual's way of thinking -- as well as on his/her capacity for imagination, vision and creativity.

The relatively unprofessional, anti-professional, and sloppy or unsound thinking (exemplified, for instance, by persons like Hoagland) might in fact be a revolt of the human spirit against the impersonal mechanism of technobureacracy.

Above all, human beings want FREEDOM -- this is a desire which can be suppressed but never thoroughly eradicated. I think "armchair" cranks and crackpots with little or no qualitications are generally asserting their felt birthright to this freedom -- even if it is bought at the expense of sobriety, carefulness and attention to thoroughness/accuracy in inquiry and method.

For what constricts the sense of freedom more than being relegated as a mere cog in the works?

MARS is therefore a very appropriate object of acclamation for free spirits. It is another world -- one that is not here but OUT THERE -- a virgin world, an entirely as of yet unexplored world -- the last frontier, if you will, where the spirit still feels free to breathe.

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