Tuesday, May 09, 2006

Here's where my "cryptoterrestrial" thought experiment starts getting weird:

Although accounts of "little people" imply a nonhuman civilization parallel to our own, the "others" generally have a recognizably human-like appearance, suggesting a common ancestry. If so, where did we originate? On Earth? Possibly. But it's imperative that we examine more far-flung real-estate, if only to cover all bases and rule out red herrings. I'm particularly attracted to Mars, a planet that boasts some unlikely formations that may be archaeological sites.

If Mars is indeed a piece of the puzzle, the cryptoterrestrials with whom we share the planet may retain a collective memory of their ancestral world. Meawhile, our scientific mainstream has accustomed itself to scoffing dismissal -- or, at best, lukewarm assurances that anomalies such as the Face, located in the Cydonia Mensae region, are simply geological oddities that prey on our inclination to seek meaning in the unfamiliar.





The prospect of a common Martian ancestry is appealing, in part, because it's testable. While telerobotic spacecraft may fail to return a definitive verdict (assuming they're steered toward potential archaeological sites in the first place), at least they will help prepare astronauts for eventual crewed exploration of the Red Planet.

It's all-too-tempting to speculate that the CTs are well aware of our plans to "invade" Mars. Anticipating the revelations in store, they may treat the issue with the same doting care intelligence agencies lavish on disinformation campaigns, determined to throw us off the trail without sacrificing their virtual invisibility.

Alternatively, they might attempt to actively hasten Mars exploration. In this scenario, they want to be found out -- at least in part -- but only if disclosure remains on their terms. After all, we live on an increasingly crowded planet. Eventual contact may be inevitable. Martian ruins or not, the cryptoterrestrial agenda is likely stocked with contingency plans, some of which may have already gone into effect.

For example, there's evidence to suggest crashed "alien" hardware. If our own governments should ever pierce the "extraterrestrial" smokescreen -- assuming they already haven't -- the CTs might reasonably expect increased surveillance or even infiltration. How they would deal with such unwanted curiosity is anyone's guess, but perhaps they might choose to "leak" their own existence in strategic piecemeal fashion.

Such clues could lead the human race on an unsettling (but ultimately enlightening) ride -- but only if we're wise enough to recognize the offer.

18 comments:

Emperor said...

Interesting you should mention them wanting to be found and "crashed" saucers.

While I'm not really a big fan of the whole Face on Mars thing it does make me wonder about some of the "accidental" aspects to the Ufology. What if there is some kind of Prime Directive about not messing with cultures that are under 1 on the Kardashev Scale but some groups are working the loopholes - like crashes or people stumbling across their activity.

There haven't just been crashes but some have suggested that abandonned vehicles have been found - I stumbled across this (via Tim Good's "Alien Contact"):

1958 - Utah

From the alleged MJ-12 Aquarius Briefing Document prepared for incoming President Jimmy Carter in 1977.
(TS/ORCON) In 1958, the United States recovered a third Alien aircraft from the desert of Utah. The aircraft was in excellent flying condition. The aircraft was apparently abandoned by the Aliens for some unexplained reason, since no Alien life forms were found in or around the aircraft. The aircraft was considered a technological marvel by United States scientists. However, the operating instrumentations of the aircraft were so complex that our scientists could not interrupt their operation. The aircraft was stored in a top security area and analyzed throughout the years by our best aerospace scientists. The United States gained a large volume of technological data from the recovered Alien aircraft. A detailed description and further information regarding the aircraft is explained in Attach 3.


Source

Its the kind of weasley thing you might find during the Cold War: "we never gave them the technology but if we happened to have crashed a few vehicles and they worked out the principles form them then that is hardly our fault!!"

Also I have thrown out the idea that the odd nature of the encounters may be due to some kind of... "training" - although again I'm not overly enamoured of that idea either but it'd make sense in this context.

Ken said...

"Although accounts of "little people" imply a nonhuman civilization parallel to our own, the "others" generally have a recognizably human-like appearance, suggesting a common ancestry. If so, where did we originate? On Earth? Possibly. But it's imperative that we examine more far-flung real-estate, if only to cover all bases and rule out red herrings. I'm particularly attracted to Mars, a planet that boasts some unlikely formations that may be archaeological sites."

Mac,
I think the fact we humans share so much genetic material with Chimpanzees and other primates pretty much rules out the possibility that we originated on another planet (for instance, Mars). IMO there is overwhelming evidence that we originated and evolved here on Earth. The "cryptoterrestrials" may or may not share common ancestry with us -- despite the fact that they generally seem to have a remarkably human-like appearance. This can in fact be explained by what biologists call "convergent evolution": critters can evolve strikingly similar characteristics without being closely related at all! The question is: Are these cryptoterrestrials primates like us, or are they something else altogether? Whit Strieber, for instance, seems over the years to have reached the conclusion that what we are dealing with are actually highly evolved insects (at least this is the strong impression I got from reading some of his stuff). Then there are those who report reptilian-like creatures (of course, these "cryptoterrestrials" may not be either insects or reptiles, despite certain likenesses; similarities between them and bugs or lizards may just be another instance of convergent evolution!).

Mac said...

This can in fact be explained by what biologists call "convergent evolution": critters can evolve strikingly similar characteristics without being closely related at all!

Yes, this definitely deserves to be addressed. Ever heard of Sheldrake's "morphogenic fields"?

Whit Strieber, for instance, seems over the years to have reached the conclusion that what we are dealing with are actually highly evolved insects (at least this is the strong impression I got from reading some of his stuff).

He's never actually claimed this, but some of his accounts suggest this. He thinks of them as actually *mechanical* in some respects -- another angle I'll explore.

He's also ventured the idea that they possess a hive mind, not unlike ants or bees.

Emperor said...

I touched on this recently - while I could buy convergent evolution for one species it would be stretching it beyond breaking point to suggest it could account the dozens of different creatures. Not unless we are the inadvertent hosts of some kind of Galatic Bilaterally Symmetrical Biped Conference (hell even the robots conform to that bauplan).

Equally nothing in the fossil record or our DNA suggests there has been any alien tampering or seeding.

I suspect explanations are going to be more along the lines of:

1. Its all somehow internally generated using ourselves as the basic model.

2. They come from parallel universes were evolution has carried on in pretty much the same way here just with minor variations.

3. They are somehow us just a little differen. This could get all very sci-fi but:

a) Aliens lift our DNA and mess around with it to create client races for jobs or to act as ambassadors for lower lifeforms that would go mad if they had to deal with the very alien aliens. A bit like the Peacekeepers in Farscape.

b) I would imagine in the future that we'd develop the ability to change our general appearance at a whim so today I will be a small hairy dwarf and tomorrow I'll be a nine foot giant with a big chin and one eye.

4. Its something freakishly bizarre that would make you cap your brains out if you even got a hint of it.

Mac said...

Emp--

I kind of like Number Four...

Ken said...

Mac--

Yeah, I've heard of Sheldrake's theory of morphogenic fields. I think he may be on to something -- and that something is the extent to which quantum realities may play a part in biological evolution. We might tie Sheldrake's theories in with C.G. Jung's so-called "acausal connection principle" and his ideas about syncronicity. Does the bedrock of evolution really consist in the blind forces of natural selection, as Darwin thought?

Just as Einstein replaced Newton in how we understand physics, so also I predict that someday a new quantum-based theory will replace Darwinianism in the field of biology. Even now I think that Darwinianism as a science is a little behind the times, more at home with Newton's era (and corresponding more with Newton's way of understanding the world) than with our own day. Biologists haven't realized this yet, but they're working with a schematic paradigm that's just a little bit out of kilter with how we've come to understand physical phenomena post-Einstein. They need to be brought up to date. Is biological evolution influenced -- maybe even driven and determined -- by factors such as gravity, spacetime, etc.? Could the evolution of species be something considerably more elastic than the mechanistic model offered by Darwinianism?

Ken said...

emperor --

Convergent evolution can actually be seen in many, many different species, and in a variety of ways.

Biomimicry can be yet another consideration. Suppose a species -- not human but nonetheless indigenious to Earth -- developed physical characteristics mimicking our own? After all, we have no natural predators, so any species that come to resemble us would exponentially increase their chances of survival.

Emperor said...

Emp--

I kind of like Number Four...


It'd be even better if I hadn't left the "r" out of "crap" ;)

I always wondered about the descriptiosn of grays which suggested they didn't actually seem to have bones or joints (or even internal organs) like they were more a purely functional construct - an avatar of something much vaster and stranger: Handpuppets of the Gods?

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Ken - thats all fine and dandy but there are dozens (probably hundreds) of different types of creatures reported who are a bit like us but with a few tweaks. Its like whoever is coordnating this has the special effects budget of a TV series/movie from the seventies or eighties.

The question is why don't the aliens look that alien? One could argue that only bilaterally symmetrical and bipedal species can somehow develop a spacefaring culture but I can't see a good arguement for this except a circular one.

Even if you could come up with that there is absolutely no reason for elbows, wrists, mouths, eyes, knees, etc., etc., to be in similar places or numbers.

Where are the Space Squid? The sentient gas clouds? Just creatures with reversed knees (like in The Arrival) or two elbows or four arms?

Reports of anything that couldn't be simulated with a rubber suit (or a splash of makeup or even just a quick bacofoil outfit) are very rare (I'm thinking of the amoeba's emerging from a UFO that Keel mentions) when you would expect it to be the other way around - a frolicking carnival of the bizarre with the occasional vaguely humanoid being wandering about.

Its the sheer weight of evidence like this that has caused real problems with an overly literal interpration of UFO phenomena ("nuts and bolts" and/or ETH) which is why I'm interested in seeing people putting out new models (the reason I'm watching the updates on Mac's book with interest).

Ken said...

"The question is why don't the aliens look that alien?"

We don't know if they're aliens. They could be indigenious to Earth -- maybe even a sister-species to the human race.

"there is absolutely no reason for elbows, wrists, mouths, eyes, knees, etc., etc., to be in similar places or numbers."

Why no reason?

Emperor said...

We don't know if they're aliens. They could be indigenious to Earth -- maybe even a sister-species to the human race.

My point exactly.

If someone wanted to explain the Others/visitors as alien aliens then they'd need to come up with a good explanation why evolutionary pressures in different environments produced a nearly identical body pattern despite the fact that a lot of characteristics wouldn't have any selective advantage for a sentient spacefaring species.

Why no reason?

A lot of the human buaplan is due to contingency or fucntional adaptations to certain conditions our distant ancestors had to adapt to. None of which has any bearing on producing a sentient species like our own (and our visitors).

take the knee - outs faces forward (as do the visitors) but most animals have a backwards facing knee. As it is shared with primates I assume it is part of an arboreal adaptation (or else it is just inherited) and there is no reason why a forward (or backward) pointing knee should required for the evolution of a successful species so you'd expect to see a mix which you don't.

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