Monday, September 26, 2005





Cydonia in color -- is this the best the ESA can do?

5 comments:

W.M. Bear said...

Has anyone EVER tried to explain how it is that "geological formations" can have perfectly straight sides?

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Ken said...

Although I did not see any Cydonia images with a quick scan of the page, and offhand don't recall any either,

http://www.geoinf.fu-berlin.de/eng/index.php

makes large HRSC TIF files available. These can be found through their press release archive,

http://www.geoinf.fu-berlin.de/eng/projects/mars/marsexpress_pra.php .

Even though final resolution may remain the same, the amount of information is considerably more than commonly seen through most public venues, especially the main ESA site. At least the images are not JPGs!

Unfortunately, these TIFs are of press releases only. ESA treats their HRSC data records as if they were virgin daughters - can't even look! Arrr. The Dairtee Baahstahds. :-{

Hopefully others may find this of use. BTW: recently downloaded GIMP and am trying to understand it. In any event, it is better and more thorough, though less convenient to me, than IrfanView. I like 'em both. Some say GIMP is equivalent to PhotoShop, though I myself would not know. GIMP is easy to set up, but for me it will be difficult to master. IrfanView is both easy to set up and to use. Both are free, and come with Kenny's Kenfabbalous Kommendation.

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http://www.irfanview.com/

Mac said...

Has anyone EVER tried to explain how it is that "geological formations" can have perfectly straight sides?

I'm not particularly surprised to see mesas with straight sides in the Cydonia region -- or anywhere else, for that matter. But when the straight sides form precise rectangles (as in the case of the Face's framing mesa), I'm intrigued.

(The Face has a strong nonfractal terrain signature. In other words, it doesn't appear natural compared to the surrounding terrain. It's *qualitatively* weird. This isn't an argument about certain people "seeing faces," as NASA would have it.)

W.M. Bear said...

Just had a real look at the Cydonia photo and now strongly suspect ESA is playing NASA's game of trying to wash out structure using filters. (They're apparently not content with the Face but go after everything in "the City.")

BTW, Mac, I wasn't referring to the Face mesa but the "pyramids," etc. "Debunkers" keep saying these are natural formations but I have yet to see a convincing explanation (or even ANY explanation at all) of how the sides got that straight -- ALL FIVE of them! Let me turn their favorite rubric around and say: "Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence." So where is it, folks, as, say, a similar natural formation on Earth? (I hear a lot of muttering about two different sets of geological processes, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., ad nauseam. This is an explanation?)

Mac said...

So where is it, folks, as, say, a similar natural formation on Earth?

A key component of NASA's Face-debunking campaign is ignoring the other oddities in the Cydonia region. At most you'll hear a vague reference to "other objects," but NASA is very careful not to tell us what they are.

The irony is that some think geometric objects like the D&M Pyramid are much more convincing evidence than the Face; in fact, some pro-artificiality researchers dismiss the Face entirely, although I suspect this is politically motivated.