Wednesday, June 22, 2005

The "alien" autopsy: evidence of human experimentation?





I'm going to lay off the "alien autopsy" issue for a while until I have more concrete information; I fear I might be alienating a few readers (pun intended).

But this UFO UpDates post by Nick Redfern addresses some important points. Redfern writes, in part:

"The interviewees (and this is one of the reason I consider them credible) specifically directed me to a number of very hard to find files in a variety of archives, including one from 1947, talking about how research had been undertaken in summer 47 on 54 test-subjects, some dwarfs, several with Progeria - a condition that results in a small body, enlarged bald head and occasionally 6 fingers.

[. . .]

"And it's intriguing that these people were specifically able to direct me to finding these officially declassified files on radiation experiments undertaken on people with Progeria in summer 47.

"If the film is nothing but an outright fake, that's a pretty intriguing coincidence that files on Progeria sufferers and radiation experiments should exist from the time frame that the film was supposedly made and that shows a body with similar symptoms."

I concur. If the footage is a hoax designed to depict an "alien," the odds that the film-makers happened to depict a progeria sufferer with remarkable accuracy are exceedingly slim. Indeed, my first reaction to the footage was incredulity: If it was a commercial hoax (the popularly accepted theory), why would the special effects crew create such an unlikely "alien"? Why not a quintessential "Gray," which many people automatically associate with tales of ET visitation? Not only would a faked dissection of a Gray very likely sell more autopsy videotapes, it would grant the perpetrators free reign in designing the alien's internal anatomy.




Typical childhood progeria. Note unusual ears, sunken face, hairlessness, and disproportionately large head.


Some commentators have remarked that the "alien" can't be a real cadaver because the internal organs look amorphous and, presumably, faked. Interestingly enough, the state of the organs is consistent with high-speed aircraft accidents in which the body's exterior experiences relatively superficial damage while the internal structure suffers gross displacement.

This leaves the issue of the black eye coverings, which give the being an eerily "alien" look. Since the pathologists expediently remove them and put them in a specimen jar, it appears they're familiar with them; this argues against the footage being a first-time dissection of a being from another world. Instead, taken in the context of atomic experimentation, it indicates the supposed "alien" was outfitted with special contact lenses for scientific purposes -- perhaps an attempt to protect the eyes from potentially blinding radiation. This may, in fact, have been the purpose of the experiment; it's easy to see why military scientists would want to assess protective gear, possibly for pilots operating in the wake of a nuclear war.

In summary: This is not a conventional autopsy. It appears to be a hasty effort to harvest specific tissues under strict time constraints posed by radiation, an observation borne out by the bulky containment suits worn by the surgeons and the blink-and-you-miss it "maximum working time" plaque affixed to the operating theater wall.

46 comments:

W.M. Bear said...

Mac -- You're not "alienating" me. I just haven't had time so far to really delve into this issue the way I'd like. However, from what I've read on PB, I think your theory actually does make quite a lot of sense. Two quick points: 1) I agree that if someone were going to fake an "alien autopsy," they would do it differently (and what would be the point, anyway?) That the "crudity" of the operation stems from radiation-constrained haste sounds plausible to me. 2) I think your "human deformity" theory also sounds very plausible. If one reads the description of progeria and then looks at the body, a lot of the symptoms seem to fit pretty exactly, especially, for example: They also develop a distinctive facial appearance characterized by a disproportionately small face in comparison to the head; an underdeveloped jaw (micrognathia); malformation and crowding of the teeth; abnormally prominent eyes; a small, nose; prominent eyes

The military took an experimental subject with progeria, put them in a remote controlled aircraft, and flew it near a nuclear explosion? (Sounds like you're getting at something like this.) Perfectly, appallingly believable. Any hoaxing was simply done by whoever got hold of the film and LABELED it "Alien Autopsy" for distribution purposes. It also sounds as though there was a lot of admiration for the Nazis in some quarters immediately after WWII (still is, evidently!)

Dante Rosati said...

The military took an experimental subject with progeria, put them in a remote controlled aircraft, and flew it near a nuclear explosion? (Sounds like you're getting at something like this.) Perfectly, appallingly believable.

you're kidding right?

oh wait, that was right before the research program to take athlete's foot sufferers and irradiate them with protons. just last week i was working on a super secret project to paint people who look like Elvis with blood from toxic shock syndrome victims...

mister ecks said...

science fiction (science friction)

a hyperfiction created, a changeling substituted for the simple fact strangled in its crib

Mac said...

The military took an experimental subject with progeria, put them in a remote controlled aircraft, and flew it near a nuclear explosion?

Not necessarily anything so involved. Radiation exposure doesn't necessarily mean a nuclear bomb was set off.

I think -- and Redfern thinks -- that test aircraft are part of the puzzle. But all the AA suggests to me is experimentation with radiation, using "expendable" humans with deformities. Such experiments are known to have happened as an extension of Japanese experiments on American and British POWs.

My claim re. the AA isn't nearly as far-fetched as some seem to think, especially given the characteristics of progeria -- which I just learned can cause a lack of developed nipples. This is exactly what we see in the film.

Forget "aliens." Forget FX dummies, if only as a thought experiment. I am virtually certain we're seeing a human being who was subjected to radiation.

Mac said...

It also sounds as though there was a lot of admiration for the Nazis in some quarters immediately after WWII

The Southwest military establishment was crawling with "former" Nazi personnel (i.e., von Braun), who had been captured and relocated from post-war Germany as part of "Project Paperclip." It's quite possible some of them were even in on this to some degree.

W.M. Bear said...

Forget "aliens." Forget FX dummies, if only as a thought experiment. I am virtually certain we're seeing a human being who was subjected to radiation.

The more I look at the stills, especially the one of the head that you posted, the more I'm inclined to agree. Moreover, I think this theory represents a major breakthrough in thinking about the whole issue of "alien corpses," etc. Way to go!

Mac said...

As Nick argues -- and Greg Bishop's "Project Beta" proves was the case in at least one instance -- the military has played a role in *promoting* stories of crashed aliens to draw attention away from a much darker truth.

"MJ-12," anyone?

mister ecks said...

the whole ufo/japan/731/nazis/paperclip

mister ecks said...

was covered in a story arc on the "x-files" you know!

Mac said...

I didn't know. Weirdly, I never watched "The X-Files." I'd like to see that...

mister ecks said...

and in a novel called "majic man" by max allan collins.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0525945156/qid=1119498282/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-7116432-4328864?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

my point being that fact, fiction and speculation are being forced into a postmodern jumble as disastrous as the mythical roswell crash itself.

Mac said...

"my point being that fact, fiction and speculation are being forced into a postmodern jumble as disastrous as the mythical roswell crash itself."

With that I heartily agree!

mister ecks said...

yes the japan radiation experiment episodes were called "731" and "Nisei".

"Anasazi" , "Paperclip", and the "blessing way" were the nazi-related eps.

x-files (and other works of art/media) actually covered so much conspiracy-theory ground that im afraid enterprising cover-up "whistleblowers" have a lot to pick and choose from when concocting their stories.

ufo researchers often ignore the influence of television, movies, and the like at their peril.

mister ecks said...

(btw im not necessarily saying all these people with inside information are liars, just saying as our culture and media influence reaches saturation it has become increasingly hard to discern what is fact, spculation, lies, rumor, or some combination thereof.)

mister ecks said...

though i will add that i am eagerly anticipating this redfern book (i just ordered it from the bookstore in fact). i hope he can thouroughly back up what he alleges!

mister ecks said...

anyway, the reason i'm raising the issue of "whistleblowers" is because of redfern's reliance on this supposed DIA source he mentions in this extensive interview on http://www.uforeview.net/

the story seems too perfect in how it appears to fill in all the cracks about roswell, the cold war, ufos etc.

it pays to ALWAYS be weary of these overarching explanations that conveniently fill in every gap. that is why conspiracy theories are so seductive. especially when mixed up with some truth.

Mac said...

the story seems too perfect in how it appears to fill in all the cracks about roswell, the cold war, ufos etc.

Redfern's aware of the risk. He's not gullible, nor do I think he necessarily "wants to believe." (Who would?) He's spoken with 20+ people aware of various aspects of the story and, according to him, all have provided bits and pieces of corraborative evidence/testimony that forms a bigger picture.

mister ecks said...

but, ultimately i think redfern might be on the right track.

NR: The one thing about Roswell, or the crash, that a lot of people never really answer is, if you look at the literature, at one crash site you’ve got this craft or vehicle with bodies scattered around it and then, at another site, you have this huge field of foil like, balloon like debris. And if even people say it had weird properties, at first glance it looked like a massive field of balloon debris. Now, as the DIA guy, who is quoted quite extensively in the book said to me, people never really answer why you should have a craft in one location with bodies and have a huge field of debris at another location just a few miles away. But if you look at it from the angle that you’ve got an aircraft and this huge balloon array, and they came apart, that answers why you have two different crash sites with distinctly different materials at each site. How could six hundred feet of debris come from an 80 feet wide vehicle? If you look at it as two different components from two different vehicles, that would explain it.

SM: Is it all bollocks? Is there no such thing as a UFO?

NR: Ironically, why I got involved in the subject was because my dad was in the Royal Air Force and tracked a UFO on radar.

SM: A timely reminder.

NR: Yeah, he’ll thank me for that when I speak to him next, just giving him a plug again. Ironically, I don’t go into this in the book and just focus on the incident but I think there is a genuine UFO phenomenon but I don’t think it is what it appears to be. The military or intelligence people, or whoever it is behind all this disinformation, I think they have realised that yes, there is a real UFO phenomenon but the fact that there is only works to their advantage to hide things. You see, if they wanted to hide a crashed aircraft incident with a crashed UFO story, if nobody ever saw UFOs, it would be like, “What’s a UFO? How would that work?” But the fact that people see strange things in the sky and it appears to be a genuine phenomenon acts as a good cover, because people like me and you know that there are things going on and that there are good quality, legitimate reports. And that does, ironically, bolster the idea that maybe one of those things just happened to crash.

SM: I certainly know it’s happened to you and it’s an ongoing process that the older you get and the more experienced you get and the more you read and the more people you speak to and so on and so forth, your philosophies and your ideas change.

NR: Older? Me or you!?

SM: Any of us! You said a moment ago that yes, something was there but it isn’t what people might think. What’s there?

NR: Probably over the last six years and to an extent before that to a limited extent, I’ve been more along the lines of people like John Keel and Jacques Vallee, that there’s some kind of intelligence, maybe from somewhere else, but more likely possibly interacts with us and coexists with us in some fashion, that is responsible for a whole range of things through out the centuries that has been perceived in different ways and is still perceived in different ways to this day. I think a lot of this ties in with research I’ve done into tulpas and thought forms where belief in something can cause it to quasi exist."

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mister ecks said...

Like i said, i think hes on the right track, just that in our extemely information-saturated age, extreme caution is warranted. but overall i completely concur with what he says here:

I think it’s important that if Roswell collapses as an alien case, then all these other things do as well. I think that what we’re left with, and this is my personal opinion based upon what I’ve uncovered, is that we have a paranormal type phenomenon with us that is responsible for UFO encounters, but that’s also responsible for many other things. And, we have a government or a select body of people knowing that this phenomena exists, not really understanding properly what it is, or maybe they do, but realising that it is here and isn’t really doing a great deal of harm other than just scaring people, but it actually acts as a good cover behind which this whole science fiction scenario of aliens has been created to hide medical experiments, classified aircraft flights, weird aircraft crashes, even probably things like mind control experimentation. Maybe some of these people who believe they have been abducted have actually been subjected to something else, maybe military medical tests; that type of thing. I think somewhere the penny dropped and somebody said, “We know something weird is going on but it actually helps us by reinforcing these tales that we want to put in place.

W.M. Bear said...

Typical childhood progeria. Note unusual ears, sunken face, hairlessness, and disproportionately large head.

That picture ices it for me. Note the disproportionately large eyes too. This would tend to argue that the victim in the AA film is also probably an ADOLESCENT girl (since progenia victims don't live much past adolescence because of the premature aging).

W.M. Bear said...

Meaning that some total sicko decided to further exploit some poor victim who had ALREADY been heinously exploited by the U.S. military (or whoever). I think the fact that this double possibility is so totally APPALLING is what makes most people WANT to believe that it HAS to be a hoax.

Mac said...

I think the fact that this double possibility is so totally APPALLING is what makes most people WANT to believe that it HAS to be a hoax.

I think you just nailed it.

TheUltimateCyn said...

My theory... they're hybreds.
Thus the whole illness and short life span.
They are the creation of the blend of us and "them".

Why not? It could be a real possibility - right?

Vamp said...

Actually just FYI its a mutation on the LMNA gene which causes a defective protien. This causes a defect in the DNA repair mechanism (cuz sometimes it gets all messed up in mitosis) which does not repair the DNA fully, and it causes a weak nuclear (as in the nucleus) envelope. These all cause an increased rate in apoptosis (cell death). Results in premature ageing....poor kids.

I personally haven't seen the video, but it sounds revolting enough. People...*shakes head* What they will do for their fifteen minutes of fame eh? Sickening is what it is....

I doubt anyone is trying to fuse anything with anybody. They are still people, children in fact, and even though they look beyond their years, they still hold the innocence of a childs heart. To see people claim them as..."aliens" is heartwrenching to me, I don't know how they themselves live so happy-go-lucky when there are people out there claiming they are inhuman and "aliens". Its horrible how people can treat anyone that, especially a small child.

Yep I was ranting agian....I get touchy on the subject, my appologies fully in case of offense...

I have only one thing left to say..
"Either we are alone in this universe or we are not. Either outcome is overwhelming."

Anonymous said...

this child is not an alien because i have childhood progeria and if u are even thinking of makin fun of me i will sneek into ur bedroom and keel you
(jk, but i will get mad)

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